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Smaller reactors are suitable for use in India's interiors

Sandeep Menezes ,  Thursday, February 16, 2012, 12:08 Hrs  [IST]

Corey K McDanielCorey K. McDaniel, Country Manager (India), NuScale Power Inc

NuScale Power is developing a modular, scalable nuclear power reactor. A power plant using NuScale's standard design will produce 540 MWe using 12 of NuScale's 45 MWe light water modular reactors. The company expects to apply to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in early 2012 for design certification with a goal of bringing a plant online by 2018. Corey K. McDaniel tells Sandeep Menezes that India does not have the luxury to buy the most expensive power therefore nuclear has to be part of India's energy mix.

Post Fukushima, do you think that governments are wary and people skeptical towards nuclear power projects?
Yes, all of nuclear will be looked at differently post Fukushima - but it was also looked at differently post Three Mile Island.

India in three decades of isolation has developed a civil nuclear programme and now has an opportunity because of the Indo-US nuclear deal to get all the technology from the rest of the world to supplement the only 100 per cent indigenous programme in the world.

India's energy demands are enormous which it has not been able to meet. Currently nuclear is only around four per cent—but in future it can be a larger part. However it can never be a solution by itself, India will go with nuclear— there is no reason why it should not. Fukushima was an accident and a devastating event.

India does not have the luxury to buy the most expensive power and think that it has unlimited supply of other resources. Nuclear has to be part of India's energy mix and it will be.

Germany has decided not to pursue nuclear energy. Comment.
There are some nations that have already taken short term decisions like the Germans that they are not going to do nuclear and therefore are going to stop their programme prematurely. It will cost them around $20 billion and some countries can afford to do that.

Other nations like Japan will have to take serious decisions because they are very largely dependant on nuclear. They don't have many other options other than import natural gas which will be very expensive.

The US is not growing as fast as other countries—but we have done lot with efficiencies and are finding new natural gas while also building new nuclear plants. But I would say that China and India are the two nations that are growing fastest and have the highest demand for all energy sources.

Post the Three Mile Island nuclear accident in 1979, the US nuclear industry witnessed a two decade long lull in new build projects. Therefore how can the US assist the Indian nuclear energy programme?
Yes in the US, we took a very long pause from commercial nuclear for a number of reasons. It wasn't just the Three Mile Island accident and safety concerns. We spent lot of time in the US doing modeling and developed new systems and the result was the generation of three plus reactors AP 1000, EWR and smaller reactors. We spent that time on developing better technologies so that when nuclear had to make a comeback as it has now; then we are ready.

We are also trying to highlight how US technology can provide safety advantages in addition to what India is currently doing.

The US reactors have a very good safety record and also US services operate around a fourth of all the world's reactors. We have lots of lessons learnt that we want to share with India - in terms of reactors technologies, safety lessons and regulatory lessons.

Most people agree that nuclear energy is essential but almost everyone doesn't want a nuclear power plant in their own backyard. Comment.
There will be many people who don't want nuclear power plants but there will also be people who see the economic opportunities and other advantages.

In the US, most local communities welcome nuclear power plants. Comment.
In the US also, some people still don't want nuclear power plants. But most local communities which have nuclear power plants nearby support it - therefore most of the new nuclear power plants are to come-up at the existing sites. Therefore just like India, some states in the US are open to having nuclear power plants while the others are not so open.

India has not followed the internationally accepted practice towards nuclear liability. Comment.
The nuclear liability law is an entirely Indian law and a decision by the Indian people. They must decide if they want nuclear supplies by private companies in India or any foreign companies. Because the liability law remains the same in the rest of the world.

It is not for the US, French or Russians to tell India what to do. India must decide if India wants foreign support or foreign reactors and even private Indian suppliers will have to decide if they can supply if there is an unlimited liability.

If the country has to have nuclear at some point the government and the people will have to say that they are willing to take on the risk. The ultimate liability will have to lie with the government in India's case if it is the operator.

In Fukushima the operator had a liability up to a certain point and then the government had to step in. If you don't have that liability then you don't have nuclear and if you don't have nuclear you have few options. Nuclear thus requires more safety and regulatory scrutiny - but it can be done safely.

If one compares nuclear with other forms of energy it is the safest technology per MW of energy generated. You have to make that decision - but there is always a risk of something negative happening.

With India's energy demand being huge, why do we need smaller nuclear plants like the ones that NuScale builds?
India needs to go in for both - smaller and larger nuclear power plants. In places like Maharashtra there could be many large reactors. All the bigger reactors need water and hence are located near the oceans - but what are the interiors of India which does not have large water resources. So smaller reactors use less water or might be able to use evaporative cooling. Therefore we could have a localized reactor of 45 MW or six NuScale reactors of 270 MW. Therefore the NuScale reactors could fit into places such as the interiors wherein one could never build a large reactor.

Our reactor could be put on the back of a truck or barge or even trains and sent to the site fully constructed and ready to be operated. They can be taken to the reactor site wherein we put the fuel and they are ready to operate.

A big issue was financing of projects that could be $10 to $15 billion - we also found that there was an appetite for smaller reactors like Nuscale - wherein Nuscale reactor would cost around $3 billion and be around 1/3 the size. Financing is an issue and safety has become a priority. In the case of the US, the market capital of the utilities would be as big as the risk (project cost) involved in a nuclear power project - therefore they needed smaller nuclear power plants.

What would be NuScale's long term strategy in India?
Nuscale intends to develop strategic partnerships with Indian utilities and supply partners who will take ownership of reactors and handle marketing and development in India like what we do in the US.
 
                 
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